Question of the week [Sept. 26-Oct. 1]: Should LIV Golf events be awarded Official World Golf Ranking points — why or why not?
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No. No cut, no points.
Kevin Alexander
Victoria, British Columbia
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The easy answer is no.
The OWGR was in place long before LIV Golf existed. It was well established and had been tweaked and adjusted to where it was fair for all concerned parties and enjoyed credibility in the golf world. It was and is a useful tool for determining who is eligible for various tournaments.
LIV created a new model that completely ignored the rules of the OWGR and yet somehow expected the OWGR and the rest of the golf world to accommodate them because they have a handful of the world’s top golfers on its roster.
The OWGR is based on strength of field, not strength of a half dozen golfers. There are rules on size of field, number of holes played and other factors that LIV totally ignored as it designed its new product. LIV could have consulted with OWGR in the design phase, but it knew the format would not be acceptable. LIV wanted to do what it wanted to do and assumed that it could force a presence on the OWGR after signing up a few top golfers. LIV is trying to disrupt a sound and effective system and should not be allowed to do so.
John Abercrombie
Cape Girardeau, Missouri
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Absolutely. The LIV Golf players are every bit as good as guys on the PGA Tour. Most all of them came from the PGA Tour and played a role in making the Tour what it is.
Bill Ramsey
Grand Haven, Michigan
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Since LIV Golf presently does not meet the qualifying criteria that the OWGR organization has used for 40 years, of course not. It’s that simple.
LIV Golf, which has been around for just a few months, doesn’t get to dictate terms.
Rick Nowosad
Calgary, Alberta
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My answer is yes, but points should be highly discounted to address the weakness of the field, lack of a cut and the fact that events are only 54 holes. OWGR can come up with a formula in much the same way as it rates the various tour strength.
Mike Hollywood
Groveland, Florida
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No world golf ranking points should be awarded to LIV golfers for playing in a three-day exhibition. LIV is a cash grab, and the players and [commissioner] Greg Norman should just acknowledge that, and continue down the road they have chosen.
Duane Ragland
Chicago, Illinois
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LIV golfers should not receive world ranking points until it either conforms to the current rules or the rules are changed to accommodate the league — which I hope the committee does not). LIV golfers knew the deal when they signed or they were misled about earning world ranking points. One or the other, they have made their bed and now they have to lay in it. Collect the money until things change and move on. There’s no denying LIV has several top world-class golfers — Dustin Johnson and Cam Smith are first to mind. They and at least 46 others chose the money. They now have to wait on the system to work itself out, if that happens.
Barry Duckworth
Knoxville, Tennessee
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No points for people who went to LIV Golf. The players knew the rules. They made a choice and knew the consequences. They took the money and need to take responsibility for their actions. Stand tough Mr. [Jay] Monahan, [the PGA Tour commissioner].
Mike Bruckner
Haymarket, Virginia
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Absolutely not. These are invitationals and not real golf tournaments. LIV Golf plays with shotgun starts and only 54 holes, with no cuts and limited fields. You might as well start awarding OWGR points to every country club invitational and member-guest event throughout the world. Just because they play for huge sums of money does not legitimize the quality of the event.
Mike Gosnell
Crestwood, Kentucky
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If there is a formula — strength of field, holes played, course challenge, etc. — then I would expect the OWGR to be applied to LIV Golf as it applies to every other league or tournament. Based upon the assumption that this is how they run it, I don’t know, and don’t really care about male professional golf right now.
If not, and the majors and other power brokers in OWGR decide to twist the tail, then fine.
In three to five years we will know whether the Saudis were in it for the long run and how this is all going to play out. I’m currently skimming and skipping my golf content, right over anything to do with LIV or PGA Tour.
Mark Chatfield
Houston, Texas
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My answer is LIV Golf should absolutely not be awarded world golf points. The reason why is simple, those who choose to jump to the LIV league did so for the money. Let them stay with that. Why should they be allowed to benefit from the PGA and DP World tours that gave them so much? If I left one company to join another for the money, why should I expect to benefit from the company I deserted? I should not and would not.
Don Moore
Warren, Pennsylvania
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Absolutely not. Besides the obvious circus — like context and structure — of LIV Golf’s meaningless exhibitions, the fact is they are bought to play and there is no merit. The greats — Jack Nicklaus, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Serena Williams, Wayne Gretzky, Mark Spitz, Tom Brady, et al. — competed for titles, legacy, honor, integrity and the good of their sport. It wasn’t about money.
No OWGR points for LIV.
Larry Guli
Waxhaw, North Carolina
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Absolutely no.
LIV Golf does not meet the established criteria. The events remind me of a three-day member-guest.
The International members that jumped ship to LIV took the money and thumbed their noses at International Team members at this year’s President Cup. We will never know if it would have been a closer outcome. The same can be said of the greedy American LIV members.
I was impressed that Trevor Immelman did an outstanding job of captaining his Internationals team and making it a definite event to watch to the end.
Great job by the USA Team. Go USA!
Brian Nelson
North Haven, Connecticut
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No, emphatically. There is not a full field, there is no cut, there is no qualifying opportunities, money is fully guaranteed for all participants. Can you spell “exhibition”?
To be consistent the Hero World Challenge should also not receive world ranking points. The metric for world ranking points has to be similar for all events regardless of whether its LIV Golf or the PGA Tour.
Reid Farrill
Toronto, Canada
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Of course not.
There is simply no comparison between competitive PGA Tour tournament golf and exhibitions involving 48 participants played over 54 holes.
There are only 10 golfers who joined LIV Golf who are even relevant at this point.
It’s very nice for them to have their guaranteed money and I don’t begrudge them that, but their days of playing in majors and representing in the established international competitions should be over.
Terry Fraser
Huntsville, Alabama
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ONLY ONE CHOICE
Question of the week [Sept. 19-25]: If you could only play the courses designed by one golf course architect, who would that architect be and why?
Seth Raynor.
Why? Just look at his body of work: Fisher’s Island, Shinnecock, Greenbrier, Yeamans Hall, Waialae, The Lido, Shoreacres, Yale, Mid-Ocean. He was C.B. Macdonald’s engineer, for gosh sakes. Raynor sculpted and drained The National Golf Links and Chicago Golf Club.
Along with Macdonald, they delivered “template holes” to the U.S. — Redan, Hogs Back, Biarritz, Lido, etc. Raynor’s courses still stand up incredibly well today (several in the Golf Digest Top 100). They’re typically right in front of you and not tricked up. He was prolific for his limited tenure in the business.
Bill Ramsey
Grand Haven, Michigan
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Donald Ross. Simply the best shot values in golf.
Butch English
Lake Norman, North Carolina
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Gil Hanse.
Solid routings, high shot values, good mix of variety while keeping a core design style — multiple ways to attack the hole, risk/reward and not penal.
Tim Nugent
Milton, Georgia
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